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So in other wards the ring is his "crack"
Posted by: Ian at December 20, 2004 4:32 PM
This sentence bothers me: "He has paranoid ideation about Sauron ("the eye is always watching") "
I mean, as the saying goes, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. The eye of Sauron IS watching (or at least searching). Gollum's fear does not seem to be paranoid or unfounded, instead it seems to be quite real.
Posted by: Will at December 21, 2004 11:29 AM
Good point. One of the problems with applying diagnosis of "real"-world mental-healthy problems to a world that includes magic is that, in a magically-based world, many things that would ordinarily seem delusions are realistic.
On a similar note, a few personality/psychology tests that emerged back a few decades ago -- during the original fad for such tests -- had to be adjusted, because they kept on diagnosing Christians as insane.
Posted by: Clive at December 21, 2004 6:57 PM
Those tests were accurate. And before you attack me...I'm not saying Christians are insane (well, at least not ALL of them). But based on the way that the tests operationalized "insanity" (e.g. belief in the presence of non-corporeal beings who watch you and with whom you intereact, etc...)well....it diagnosed accurately.
Now, has anyone noticed how much the character of Dobby in Rowling's "Harry Potter" books was drawn from Gollum?
Posted by: Lori at December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
haha wow thats great stuff
Gollum does have hallucinations though, doesn't he? He sees that other him in the movie yes?
I noticed they didn't talk about hallucinations.
Posted by: woot at December 23, 2004 11:32 AM
Having a Masters in psychology and having a real fondness for "The Lord of the Rings," I've thought a lot about this very thing. Even when I last read "The Hobbit" I found him to be a very interesting character... one worthy of case study. If you look at Gollum from the Gestalt perspective (which theorizes that each person has many parts within them, good and bad, and that there are conflicts between those parts), he makes a little bit more sense. He's lived alone in the swamps for hundreds of years, so naturally, he develops outward relationships amongst the different aspects of his personality. Also, he happens to have extreme conflicts (probably because of the severity of his isolation)... he's constantly struggling with whether to kill the hobbitses, or help them.
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Posted by: Julie at December 23, 2004 3:18 PM
Funny, thats exactly what I was diagnosed with.
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Posted by: Ian at December 20, 2004 4:32 PM
This sentence bothers me: "He has paranoid ideation about Sauron ("the eye is always watching") "
I mean, as the saying goes, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. The eye of Sauron IS watching (or at least searching). Gollum's fear does not seem to be paranoid or unfounded, instead it seems to be quite real.
Posted by: Will at December 21, 2004 11:29 AM
Good point. One of the problems with applying diagnosis of "real"-world mental-healthy problems to a world that includes magic is that, in a magically-based world, many things that would ordinarily seem delusions are realistic.
On a similar note, a few personality/psychology tests that emerged back a few decades ago -- during the original fad for such tests -- had to be adjusted, because they kept on diagnosing Christians as insane.
Posted by: Clive at December 21, 2004 6:57 PM
Those tests were accurate. And before you attack me...I'm not saying Christians are insane (well, at least not ALL of them). But based on the way that the tests operationalized "insanity" (e.g. belief in the presence of non-corporeal beings who watch you and with whom you intereact, etc...)well....it diagnosed accurately.
Now, has anyone noticed how much the character of Dobby in Rowling's "Harry Potter" books was drawn from Gollum?
Posted by: Lori at December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
haha wow thats great stuff
Gollum does have hallucinations though, doesn't he? He sees that other him in the movie yes?
I noticed they didn't talk about hallucinations.
Posted by: woot at December 23, 2004 11:32 AM
Having a Masters in psychology and having a real fondness for "The Lord of the Rings," I've thought a lot about this very thing. Even when I last read "The Hobbit" I found him to be a very interesting character... one worthy of case study. If you look at Gollum from the Gestalt perspective (which theorizes that each person has many parts within them, good and bad, and that there are conflicts between those parts), he makes a little bit more sense. He's lived alone in the swamps for hundreds of years, so naturally, he develops outward relationships amongst the different aspects of his personality. Also, he happens to have extreme conflicts (probably because of the severity of his isolation)... he's constantly struggling with whether to kill the hobbitses, or help them.
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Funny, thats exactly what I was diagnosed with.
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