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That's fantastic! And it reminds me weirdly of The Phantom Tollbooth, where a sound came out as an object—a clap was a sheet of paper, a drumroll was (I think) a bundle of yarn.
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For me, this link between archeology and acoustic reminds me of a crazy project french Nobel prize Georges Charpak had a few years ago: to extract thousands of years old voices and sounds from old poteries. Basically, as poteries are often made with a rotating device, and often a stylet or some kind of stick to decorate it, they should record the vibrations around them just as the primitive wax cylinder recorders, or the more modern vinyl discs. So in theory, with a very precise reading with a laser and a powerful noise elimination treatment of the signal afterwards, you would be able to extract voices and sounds from museum poteries. The voices of the long gone men and women working on the object, maybe singing, or talking with friends, maybe some animal sounds too. I guess it never worked, but I find this idea hmm... completely poetic, technically fascinating, and, in the words of Clive, insanely cool :)
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That's a really beautiful idea. Can you point me anywhere i could read more about it?
And Clive, where are the honeymoon snaps?
Posted by: Jen at December 30, 2004 10:00 AM
I travelled to Chitchenitza (Old Mayan City in Mexico) with my family and the tour guide pointed this out to us. Supposedly if you stand directly in front of the temple steps and clap loudly, the resulting sound is the TRUE NAME of the Mayan god Quetzelcoatal. It does sound like a bird chirp followed by the hiss of a snake. (Since Quetzal was a feathered serpent I suppose it works)
Posted by: Tarn Brubaker at December 30, 2004 4:56 PM
I was just in Chichen Itza this past spring and heard the effect you describe. As for whether it was intentional or not, I'm pretty convinced it was. The entire site is filled with sonic/mathmatical/astrological wonders. In the ball court, if you stand on one side and clap, you'll hear the echo seven times (seven was a magic number for the Mayans, and is seen throughout their architecture and sculpture). The viewing booths/stages at either end of this court, when they were in better condition, could amplify a speakers voice so that they could be hear clearly at the other end of the court. On and on...
The most amazing though is the Kukulkan's Pyramid (http://www.locogringo.com/past_spotlights/apr2002.html). During the spring and fall equinoxes, as the sun rises and sets, it creates the "image" of Kukulkan (Chichen Itza's serpent God), along the edge of one of the staircases. The image is made up of seven triangles from the edges of the pyramid (seven again) and when the farmers saw the snake going "up" (leaving the ground) or "down" (into the ground), they knew when it was time to plant seeds or harvest the crops.
Pretty ingenious people.
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That's fantastic! And it reminds me weirdly of The Phantom Tollbooth, where a sound came out as an object—a clap was a sheet of paper, a drumroll was (I think) a bundle of yarn.
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Yes!
Posted by: Clive at December 29, 2004 1:34 AM
For me, this link between archeology and acoustic reminds me of a crazy project french Nobel prize Georges Charpak had a few years ago: to extract thousands of years old voices and sounds from old poteries. Basically, as poteries are often made with a rotating device, and often a stylet or some kind of stick to decorate it, they should record the vibrations around them just as the primitive wax cylinder recorders, or the more modern vinyl discs. So in theory, with a very precise reading with a laser and a powerful noise elimination treatment of the signal afterwards, you would be able to extract voices and sounds from museum poteries. The voices of the long gone men and women working on the object, maybe singing, or talking with friends, maybe some animal sounds too. I guess it never worked, but I find this idea hmm... completely poetic, technically fascinating, and, in the words of Clive, insanely cool :)
Posted by: Guillermito at December 29, 2004 2:38 AM
That's a really beautiful idea. Can you point me anywhere i could read more about it?
And Clive, where are the honeymoon snaps?
Posted by: Jen at December 30, 2004 10:00 AM
I travelled to Chitchenitza (Old Mayan City in Mexico) with my family and the tour guide pointed this out to us. Supposedly if you stand directly in front of the temple steps and clap loudly, the resulting sound is the TRUE NAME of the Mayan god Quetzelcoatal. It does sound like a bird chirp followed by the hiss of a snake. (Since Quetzal was a feathered serpent I suppose it works)
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I was just in Chichen Itza this past spring and heard the effect you describe. As for whether it was intentional or not, I'm pretty convinced it was. The entire site is filled with sonic/mathmatical/astrological wonders. In the ball court, if you stand on one side and clap, you'll hear the echo seven times (seven was a magic number for the Mayans, and is seen throughout their architecture and sculpture). The viewing booths/stages at either end of this court, when they were in better condition, could amplify a speakers voice so that they could be hear clearly at the other end of the court. On and on...
The most amazing though is the Kukulkan's Pyramid (http://www.locogringo.com/past_spotlights/apr2002.html). During the spring and fall equinoxes, as the sun rises and sets, it creates the "image" of Kukulkan (Chichen Itza's serpent God), along the edge of one of the staircases. The image is made up of seven triangles from the edges of the pyramid (seven again) and when the farmers saw the snake going "up" (leaving the ground) or "down" (into the ground), they knew when it was time to plant seeds or harvest the crops.
Pretty ingenious people.
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