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Someday I want to be quoted, in my professional capacity, for saying something like, "I have to do this shit and go to a suck-ass job so the guy at the top can get driven in by a limo?"
Posted by: debcha at January 18, 2005 11:13 AM
Ahahha! That researcher Gerrin is a terrific guy -- very smart and extremely funny.
Posted by: Clive at January 18, 2005 5:07 PM
Wasn't there a CDC report that the suburbs makes you fat and sedentary and will kill you also? And a later one on declining health in rural America? So, between the CDC and New York magazine, there is nowhere to go to live a long life.
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It's true. We're all doomed.
Posted by: Clive at January 20, 2005 11:21 AM
I think that high mortality rates from heart attacks probably relate to the delay in access to health care. If your heart goes into ventricular fibrillation, you're likely to die if you're not given proper CPR and defibrillated within about 4 minutes. Congestion on the streets and poor training of the public in CPR means that in NYC, if you go into an arrhythmia, you're pretty much screwed. I seem to recall that someplace (Seattle?) had radically reorganized their ACLS provision, improving access to defibrillators and possibly (I may not have this right) requiring CPR certification as a condition of becoming licensed to drive, and were rewarded by a large decrease in sudden cardiac death.
Posted by: Jonathan Hayes at January 20, 2005 10:29 PM
I'm sure that's true about New York, but wouldn't it also be true about many trackless suburbs and rural areas? In that case, the problem is not congestion in the streets but the how remote you're likely to be from the nearest ambulance dispatch.
Posted by: Clive at January 21, 2005 1:23 PM
Agreed - it's the delay in access that is key. I think there's a point at which urban congestion becomes so great that the advantages of the density of health care providers becomes overwhelmed by their inaccessibility as the result of the traffic. There's probably some sort of ideal city size which balances the two neatly.
I think the newer cities in the Sunbelt are also much more effective in terms of reducing transit times.
If the issue is the statistics, the rural deaths from heart attacks are far less numerous than the urban deaths because of population density or lack thereof. But I bet you'd find higher death *rates* in rural areas from heart attacks.
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Someday I want to be quoted, in my professional capacity, for saying something like, "I have to do this shit and go to a suck-ass job so the guy at the top can get driven in by a limo?"
Posted by: debcha at January 18, 2005 11:13 AM
Ahahha! That researcher Gerrin is a terrific guy -- very smart and extremely funny.
Posted by: Clive at January 18, 2005 5:07 PM
Wasn't there a CDC report that the suburbs makes you fat and sedentary and will kill you also? And a later one on declining health in rural America? So, between the CDC and New York magazine, there is nowhere to go to live a long life.
Posted by: george at January 19, 2005 12:15 PM
It's true. We're all doomed.
Posted by: Clive at January 20, 2005 11:21 AM
I think that high mortality rates from heart attacks probably relate to the delay in access to health care. If your heart goes into ventricular fibrillation, you're likely to die if you're not given proper CPR and defibrillated within about 4 minutes. Congestion on the streets and poor training of the public in CPR means that in NYC, if you go into an arrhythmia, you're pretty much screwed. I seem to recall that someplace (Seattle?) had radically reorganized their ACLS provision, improving access to defibrillators and possibly (I may not have this right) requiring CPR certification as a condition of becoming licensed to drive, and were rewarded by a large decrease in sudden cardiac death.
Posted by: Jonathan Hayes at January 20, 2005 10:29 PM
I'm sure that's true about New York, but wouldn't it also be true about many trackless suburbs and rural areas? In that case, the problem is not congestion in the streets but the how remote you're likely to be from the nearest ambulance dispatch.
Posted by: Clive at January 21, 2005 1:23 PM
Agreed - it's the delay in access that is key. I think there's a point at which urban congestion becomes so great that the advantages of the density of health care providers becomes overwhelmed by their inaccessibility as the result of the traffic. There's probably some sort of ideal city size which balances the two neatly.
I think the newer cities in the Sunbelt are also much more effective in terms of reducing transit times.
If the issue is the statistics, the rural deaths from heart attacks are far less numerous than the urban deaths because of population density or lack thereof. But I bet you'd find higher death *rates* in rural areas from heart attacks.
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