What's the fastest way to load people onto an airplane? Certainly not the way that it's normally done, as any business traveller will attest. They're all too familiar with the weird inefficiencies of boarding: You dutifully line up on time, but then get backed up by some family that blocks the entire aisle while sitting down; then as soon as you're finally secure in your aisle seat, your window seat-mate arrives and you have stand up again.
Judged as a sheer matter of physics, this is an elegant idea. If you think of people as marbles flowing into an empty vessel with gravity on both sides, they'd sort in precisely this fashion.
But no sooner had United announced Wilma than detractors pointed out that this technique has been tried before, by Shuttle by United -- and it failed. Why? Because people inevitably behave in erratic ways that thwart your expectations. Under a Wilma system, the people who ought to arrive first are the window-seaters. But all too often they stagger up to the gate late, and wind up having to clamber over their seatmates, and the whole system falls to pieces. Marbles are rational; we're not.
Posted by Clive Thompson at October 18, 2005 02:42 PM
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This article disappointed me because they didn't go very broad in their exploration. It was well over a year ago I flew on JetBlue where the flight attendants greeted you in the aisle as you got on board, took your bag, ran back, and stowed it. They were experts and packing, just like a good grocery checkout experience. It was amazing to see them keep smiling, lifting, and running. And although I didn't take measurements, this seemed startingly efficient. They would ask your row number, and then go deal with it before you could make your way back that far.
That was a powerful illustration to me of how JetBlue was rethinking aspects of the travel experience that were seem as fixed and immutable.
Posted by: Steve Portigal at October 18, 2005 3:42 PM
The only problem with the southwest system is that not only are window seats desirable, but so are seats in the front(for quick departure) of the plane and on the aisle (for people who are tall or like to get up a lot). People self sort directly into becoming obstructions... Reminds me of the classic William H Whyte studies observing street corners. The most frequent place people have conversations on the street are exactly where they meet or depart, which just happens to be right on the corner in the most high traffic parts of the sidewalk. In any case I think Sothwest's speed comes mainly from removing the need to search for the right seat number. If a delay appears in front of you, you can get out of the way by claiming a seat on your side of the delay.
Like Steve I've always found JetBlue to have the smoothest boardings (not necessarily the same as the quickest), although I don't remember them ever taking my luggage as he describes. Why are they the smoothest? I think its mainly because they don't have first class and thus do a proper back to front boarding. Its the convoluted boarding strategies of the old carriers that really slow things I've found. The more they separate into classes, the more complex and jammed the process gets.
Posted by: Abe at October 18, 2005 3:56 PM
Back row to front, the only way to load a plane. Why they don't do this, I don't know.
Posted by: tigger at October 18, 2005 7:31 PM
Posted by: Alfred Cloutier at October 18, 2005 9:21 PM
IM conversation
A:
hey, do you ever read Collision Detection? if not, i think you might like it. here's an .
B:
i thought it would be good to make a modular plane
» where people sit down at the gate
» and when the plane comes
» the nose opens
» the inside seating slides out
» and the new one slides in
A:
that's beautiful
» an airport full of human ice-cube trays
B:
yes and you can be towed all the way to luggage pickup
» first stop is for people to get off who have connections
» imagine "next stop baggage claim"
Posted by: peretz at October 18, 2005 10:39 PM
IM conversation
A:
hey, do you ever read Collision Detection? if not, i think you might like it. here's an [link to this page].
B:
i thought it would be good to make a modular plane
» where people sit down at the gate
» and when the plane comes
» the nose opens
» the inside seating slides out
» and the new one slides in
A:
that's beautiful
» an airport full of human ice-cube trays
B:
yes and you can be towed all the way to luggage pickup
» first stop is for people to get off who have connections
» imagine "next stop baggage claim"
Posted by: peretz at October 18, 2005 10:40 PM
Ahahahhaa! I love that idea!
Man, now that would make boarding a snap.
Posted by: Clive at October 19, 2005 1:48 PM
It would be good if boarding went faster. But I fly a lot, and I've never seen boarding time be a factor in plane delays. It's usually only a factor when coupled with some other delay, like late arrival of the plane from somewhere else.
And even if you do finger boarding time, the biggest problem is carry-on luggage. The amount of time taken up by idiots attempting to shove oversize carry-ons into already-full bins...
I've often thought that more airlines should adopt the approach of the smaller, regional carriers. They have a separate system for "checking" carry-on luggage. You get it back when you deplane. Then all you have to do when boarding is shove your purse/backpack/laptop case under the seat in front of you and you're done!
Posted by: Ginna at October 20, 2005 8:10 PM
This is how all the cheapie airlines in Europe work. The downfall of this is people like me, who want an _aisle_ seat, so queue early to get my preference .. but it probably works better than the alternatives.
Posted by: firefalluk at October 24, 2005 10:12 AM
Ginna, yeah, I fly a lot and I hate hate hate those people too. Grrr ... check your luggage, and we'll all move a lot faster! But I do think that speed-of-boarding is a factor in plane delays. You might not sense it on your end, i.e. your boarding, but someone else's slow boarding can create a delay in the time your flight arrives at the gate, or how long you sit on the tarmac.
firefalluk, yep, precisely: This is what I've done every time I've flown easyjet and RyanAir!
Posted by: Clive at October 24, 2005 2:31 PM
I love the idea of ice cube-tray seating. It fits in well with earlier proposals for a passenger compartment that can be released from a falling plane to parachute or glide to safety. The crane picks up the passegners and slots them into the plane, neat as can be. Marvelous.
Posted by: john_m_burt at October 24, 2005 2:49 PM
that modular plane idea isn't exactly original, it already exists in the form of model planes and computer simulations, of course with the intent to make it real. sorry, i'm too lazy to dig up a link now, but i do know that it cleverly deals with a major flaw in the above suggestion: if you handle pasengers exactly like a cargo container, it's silly to take away their luggage, only to give it back through an annoying, long-winded process during which a good deal of it gets lost. instead, every passenger stores her/his luggage under his/her own seat. in fact, the seats can be wheeled around and double as luggage trolleys. when they are loaded, they are pulled into an empty passenger container, which can then be slotted into a plane, which in turn can be ready for takeoff mere minutes after landing.
Posted by: nex at October 27, 2005 3:34 PM
This article disappointed me because they didn't go very broad in their exploration. It was well over a year ago I flew on JetBlue where the flight attendants greeted you in the aisle as you got on board, took your bag, ran back, and stowed it. They were experts and packing, just like a good grocery checkout experience. It was amazing to see them keep smiling, lifting, and running. And although I didn't take measurements, this seemed startingly efficient. They would ask your row number, and then go deal with it before you could make your way back that far.
That was a powerful illustration to me of how JetBlue was rethinking aspects of the travel experience that were seem as fixed and immutable.
Posted by: Steve Portigal
at October 18, 2005 3:42 PM
The only problem with the southwest system is that not only are window seats desirable, but so are seats in the front(for quick departure) of the plane and on the aisle (for people who are tall or like to get up a lot). People self sort directly into becoming obstructions... Reminds me of the classic William H Whyte studies observing street corners. The most frequent place people have conversations on the street are exactly where they meet or depart, which just happens to be right on the corner in the most high traffic parts of the sidewalk. In any case I think Sothwest's speed comes mainly from removing the need to search for the right seat number. If a delay appears in front of you, you can get out of the way by claiming a seat on your side of the delay.
Like Steve I've always found JetBlue to have the smoothest boardings (not necessarily the same as the quickest), although I don't remember them ever taking my luggage as he describes. Why are they the smoothest? I think its mainly because they don't have first class and thus do a proper back to front boarding. Its the convoluted boarding strategies of the old carriers that really slow things I've found. The more they separate into classes, the more complex and jammed the process gets.
Posted by: Abe
at October 18, 2005 3:56 PM
Back row to front, the only way to load a plane. Why they don't do this, I don't know.
Posted by: tigger
at October 18, 2005 7:31 PM
Wilma, eh? Funny...
Posted by: Alfred Cloutier
at October 18, 2005 9:21 PM
IM conversation
A:
hey, do you ever read Collision Detection? if not, i think you might like it. here's an .
B:
i thought it would be good to make a modular plane
» where people sit down at the gate
» and when the plane comes
» the nose opens
» the inside seating slides out
» and the new one slides in
A:
that's beautiful
» an airport full of human ice-cube trays
B:
yes and you can be towed all the way to luggage pickup
» first stop is for people to get off who have connections
» imagine "next stop baggage claim"
Posted by: peretz
at October 18, 2005 10:39 PM
IM conversation
A:
hey, do you ever read Collision Detection? if not, i think you might like it. here's an [link to this page].
B:
i thought it would be good to make a modular plane
» where people sit down at the gate
» and when the plane comes
» the nose opens
» the inside seating slides out
» and the new one slides in
A:
that's beautiful
» an airport full of human ice-cube trays
B:
yes and you can be towed all the way to luggage pickup
» first stop is for people to get off who have connections
» imagine "next stop baggage claim"
Posted by: peretz
at October 18, 2005 10:40 PM
Ahahahhaa! I love that idea!
Man, now that would make boarding a snap.
Posted by: Clive
at October 19, 2005 1:48 PM
It would be good if boarding went faster. But I fly a lot, and I've never seen boarding time be a factor in plane delays. It's usually only a factor when coupled with some other delay, like late arrival of the plane from somewhere else.
And even if you do finger boarding time, the biggest problem is carry-on luggage. The amount of time taken up by idiots attempting to shove oversize carry-ons into already-full bins...
I've often thought that more airlines should adopt the approach of the smaller, regional carriers. They have a separate system for "checking" carry-on luggage. You get it back when you deplane. Then all you have to do when boarding is shove your purse/backpack/laptop case under the seat in front of you and you're done!
Posted by: Ginna
at October 20, 2005 8:10 PM
This is how all the cheapie airlines in Europe work. The downfall of this is people like me, who want an _aisle_ seat, so queue early to get my preference .. but it probably works better than the alternatives.
Posted by: firefalluk
at October 24, 2005 10:12 AM
Ginna, yeah, I fly a lot and I hate hate hate those people too. Grrr ... check your luggage, and we'll all move a lot faster! But I do think that speed-of-boarding is a factor in plane delays. You might not sense it on your end, i.e. your boarding, but someone else's slow boarding can create a delay in the time your flight arrives at the gate, or how long you sit on the tarmac.
firefalluk, yep, precisely: This is what I've done every time I've flown easyjet and RyanAir!
Posted by: Clive
at October 24, 2005 2:31 PM
I love the idea of ice cube-tray seating. It fits in well with earlier proposals for a passenger compartment that can be released from a falling plane to parachute or glide to safety. The crane picks up the passegners and slots them into the plane, neat as can be. Marvelous.
Posted by: john_m_burt
at October 24, 2005 2:49 PM
that modular plane idea isn't exactly original, it already exists in the form of model planes and computer simulations, of course with the intent to make it real. sorry, i'm too lazy to dig up a link now, but i do know that it cleverly deals with a major flaw in the above suggestion: if you handle pasengers exactly like a cargo container, it's silly to take away their luggage, only to give it back through an annoying, long-winded process during which a good deal of it gets lost. instead, every passenger stores her/his luggage under his/her own seat. in fact, the seats can be wheeled around and double as luggage trolleys. when they are loaded, they are pulled into an empty passenger container, which can then be slotted into a plane, which in turn can be ready for takeoff mere minutes after landing.
Posted by: nex
at October 27, 2005 3:34 PM